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So if strike is king – what features on a club would help my strike, if
any??
what mark is trying to say is that with regulations now a days club
manufactures are extremely restricted to changes they can actually make on
their clubs. Therefore it really comes down to brand loyalty and person
preference. Personally, brand is irrelevant but id rather not spend 500
dollars on a driver with all this tech when i could buy a ping i25 for 150
on ebay. So if your gonna complain, dont watch his damn videos (just
like/fav to help mark out cause hes a good guy!). FFS. Aslo, that 2 yards
in distance and 100 revs of spin is basically 0, with any testing whether
it be testing new drivers or a science experiment room for error must be
accounted which generally subjects to plus of minues 1-3 of the number
produced. In marks case it would be plus or minues 1-3 yards of carry and
plus or minues 100-200 revs of spin would subject to the clubs being for
all intents and purposes equal except for the color on the top and the logo
on the sidee…..?
He He He lovely clubs. Choosing isnt that hard really, whichever clubs you
are looking at a couple will shout “buy me” and a couple of them you
wouldnt touch with a barge pole. Once you pick those few up and take them
to a practice mat, one or two will just feel so right in the hand, pick the
one you like the most. It isnt hard. Mark may say teh numbers are all the
same, well then stop being obsessed with the numbers. You are missing the
obvious. I cant remember a time when clubs looked so different, look at and
feel the things, if you love it and it hits great shots buy it and put it
in the bag, forget the ugly tacky thing that hits it 10 yards further as
you will never be happy with it, its Zen ;-)?
I was disappointed in the sound of the Titleist. Mizuno doesn’t come in
left handed, but as you pointed out has a similar sound (a little quieter).
Looks like striking the ball a little more on the toe side of the Titleist
had the ball going more right of target. Fade side shots also seem to
increase spin a little. Most of the drivers in 2015 seem to be louder in
general, however, the Nike Flex is gaining popularity because of its
quieter sound profile. Can’t wait for your review on that club to see if
you agree that it feels better than others that were released in the winter
spring offseason.?
Makes these reviews somewhat pointless if drivers are all the same. You may
as well just review the look, hit one shot for sound and you’re done. Don’t
bother doing numbers.?
Again go to the local course, grab two guys off the street and let them try
these clubs. We always only see PGA teaching pro’s demoing these clubs, let
“real” people find out for themselves then I’m more apt to believe all the
hype they’re all putting behind their products. Now Titleist has copied
TaylorMade with the speed channel. Next? who knows, has to be the shaft
they’re running of out of things they can claim.?
Very informative, cheers. I’d go with Mizuno and put the weights in the
outside settings to increase MOI and only loose a few (?) yards in
distance.?
Mark, what was different from the time you hit the D2 and D3 with the
titliest rep? I believe you averaged 269 with the D3 and 279 with the D2.
For this video you averaged 260.?
This is what I found when I tested 915 D3 D2 SLDR and G30 and my previous
gamer 913 D2. Good hits all go roughly the same distance within 2-3 yards
of each other.
However off centre hits that’s when I noticed G30 and 915 D2 Outperformed
the rest and were going about 5 -8 yards longer than D3 and SLDR. Longest I
hit was with the D3 over SLDR by 1 yard but SLDR was the shortest by 4
yards over the D3.
Test was on the same day with all 4 clubs and 15 shots were taken with each
club.
They are all good clubs and each and every one of them can be played by
anyone. ?
Thanks Mark, your demonstration of how mm changes in strike affects spin
data is very enpowering for the golfer in the market for a driver. Thanks
for sharing.?
is the titleist not performing slightly better? the mishits seemed to
travel further than with the mizuno?
the thing is with these clubs is that the spring off the face is regulated
therefore if you apply all the same numbers the ball should go almost the
same distance. a better judge surely is how far your worst struck shots
go? ?
+Mark Crossfield I get what your saying about clubs being very similar due
have you tried different clubs with
to tolorenses ect but I am seeing on other channels that people are getting
differences from the different clubs and sometime 15 – 30yrds, Why might
this be? (I know strike is important but they are showing strike
also). Your numbers are pretty zero and you seem to be pretty in tune with
your swing i.e. being able to present loft remove loft, change path, maybe
you are more #machine than you think
your students, the buzzman or lockey? do they see the same number between
clubs also??
Your carry distance was 20yds (?) Longer with the Double Black Diamond. Was
your striking better with the Bertha or did it simply out perform these two
in distance??
I like this, telling it like it is. Want a great driver, your an average
… that might be the mental edge that drives your game. What
handicapper…go buy “last year’s model” kind of like buying last year’s
car, it will get you where you need. Now if you “need” the latest in golf
gear and are happy popping out $300 plus a year …Taylormade has a program
for you
I find interesting and you see more of now is that pros are using often the
“game improvement” clubs, not always the traditional “scratch golfer”
setups.?
All of these drivers go long if you can hit them, I hated my Ttleist 913
driver so i will never get a Titleist driver again. I baught an old
Callaway FT9 driver it looks awful but i hit that one much futher than
the newer Titleist. Im waiting for Mark to test the Nike vapor drivers. The
best new driver are the Mizuno JPX850, Ping G30, Taylormade R15 and
Titleist 915 d3 is way to difficult to hit for the avrage golfer. Dont buy
a new driver if you already got one. Wait untill next year when u can get a
used one for half the price. And be careful when u choose shaft for the
ping g25/g30. I was fitted with a ping g25 1.5 years ago with a graffalloy
blue shaft x stiff. And Isnappt two shafts before I returned it. If you
have a realy high swingspead You will have to get a glued shaft in the
ping drivers if you want a GA blue shaft.
I bet Pings next driver will be just the same as the G30 with the
turbulators and the weight more forward or maby an option to move the
weight around. So thats a driver to look forward to.?
Two great looking drivers. I like that you accommodate strike in the vids.
Maybe a vid about the “longest” spot in the future??
Hi Mark, I love your videos, keep up the good work! I am intrigued on
whether you will be able to match SLDR sneaky long drives on the course
with the Mizuno. I am aware of the similarity of the stats when testing all
these drivers, and I have in mind the tolerances the manufactures are
limited with… My point is that I never saw you hitting many “sneaky long”
drives with the Covert but I’ve seen you outdriving everyone drive in and
out with the SLDR. Will you be able to do so with the Mizunos, Titleists
and Pings???
I get that all clubs perform about the same for you Mark, and I normally
like watching your channel, but how does it help us mere mortals if every
review you do says the same thing. We need something tangible otherwise
what’s the point of making the vids? Just asking…?
Mark, why don’t you get some old drivers say 10 years old and test them
against the latest models. 10 years ago the new drivers where the best
things out there. I would like to see if there is any real improvement?
Loving the look of the Mizuno but the sound of the Titleist. Maybe they
should mate and have a sexy looking club baby :D?
its been fascinating watching your recent driver videos as – even as a
really good driver of the ball – you impact moves quite a lot around the
club face – I’d argue you got more centered strikes with the JPX than the
915. I’ve always suffered from high spin and launch with the driver – when
tested on a launch monitor I’ve been hitting 5 up but it wasn’t till i
started marking balls that I’ve notice my striking – even when out of the
middle which is not often – is way to low on the club face. You’ve saved
me a fortune in driver shafts trying to correct what is essentially a
strike issue. Any tips for better club face impact – i.e. hitting above the
centre line??
What I take from this video is the importance of hitting the middle of the
face. If a good player like Mark can lose 10 – 15 yds by being a few mm
away from the optimum position on the face, it seems to me that the
manufacturers need to work on getting good numbers across a much bigger
area. Most players who claim a club doesn’t suit them (too spinny) probably
never find the actual sweetspot. I remember an old Seve instructional video
where he specifically showed how to find the sweetspot on his old Anser
putter, which was closer to the heel than most people thought. Why don’t
manufacturers put an obvious mark so we don’t have to guess. I bet the
optimum for most drivers isn’t where we think it is. ?
By the way Mark. I did some simple math, on the relationship between your
“slowest” ball speed drive 148 mph and the carry of 268 (mizuno). Its 1,81.
Thats absolutly bombing it. Thats better that some most PGA tour pros. You
are hitting the absolut center of the sweetspot. Well done. Now imagine
that relationship between ball speed and carry and think Tiger swing speed.
If he was as good a driver as you he could carry the ball… let see. 325
yards on a 120 mph swing.
To compare, the Titleist gave you a best relationship between carry and
ballspeed of 1.77. Since you are not showing club head speed, which I would
like we cannot see how effecient yout are hitting the ball. My predictions
are that you are maxing out at 1.5 possibly even 1.51 in smash factor on
some of these hits.?
Yes they are all similar distance and spin but maybe the focus of the vids
could turn to forgiveness, being that most of us are amateurs.
Eg. As you said at the end, dispersion was the greatest difference. Could
that be because miss hits on one has less effect than on the other and
maybe the same applies for spin and distance?
Love your Vlogs!!!!
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I personally can’t wait to hit the Mizuno. Really looking forward to it! I
don’t think that it is released in the states until February. But that blue
is stunning!?
after watching all your driver comparison vids there seems only one
conclusion…..buy on look and feel!
theres minimal difference in numbers with a pro striking the ball, probably
inches difference with a robot whacking em.
so unless theres a massive tech innovation breakthough, buy whats the
prettiest! :)?
I’m buying into the fact that all the major manufacturers’ drivers or even
irons will all perform pretty much exactly the same way and it just comes
down to brand loyalty and aesthetics, but what about comparing up a “no
name” brand or smaller manufacturer to one of the big boys? Will that
really make a difference to performance or just to build quality,
longevity, or how you feel about your kit because it’s top of the line??
So, there’s no point in getting custom fitted. If all the current crop of
drivers you’ve tested this year all perform the same giving similar
results, i guess any driver will do. The only decision the golfer is left
with is which funky colour to choose from.
Why aren’t the club manufactures investing as much time and money into
putter technology, perhaps they aren’t aware that twice as many shots are
made with the putter than a driver!?
when you say the clubs are “almost” identical, that statement is actually
rather conflicting as such, because your strike pattern on the Mizuno @7.16
is much more consistent on the centre of the club face as opposed to the
Titleist @ 9.04 which is slightly toe/high
so something about that Titlesit is making you hit 13mm toe compared to 0mm
centre on the Mizuno
so there is a difference?
Mark do you think Mizuno have made a big mistake only making one loft on
this driver. There’s a lot of players out there who want to switch to the
‘high launch, low spin’ model, but doing that on the Mizuno would close the
face. Just think they’ve made an error there and should have made a 10 and
11 degree model or 9.5 and 10.5??
I love how you explain the low and high strikes accounting for the spin
numbers. Would you do a video with a low spinning driver or low MOI (sldr
jpx ect) vs a higher spinning driver or high MOI(g 30 big bertha ect)and
show how strike changes spin numbers for both? Id like to see how big the
difference is between the best shot and the worst shot from both the low
and high MOI drivers. ?
Very good review, thanks Mark: Just a quick question. What shafts were
used, what length of shaft? Same in both??
It’s funny how you mention “someone who hasn’t bought in the last 8 years.”
I’m pretty sure that’s me. I have a Callaway FT-I driver.?
Excellent review and explanation of the importance of strike on spin rates
& distance! This was THE head-to-head driver comparo I was looking for,
regarding 2015 drivers. Thanks! ?
great reviews I’m a massive mizuno fan but bought a 915 d3 as the 850 isn’t
available yet, i was wondering tho what are the numbers like for off centre
hits, you strike the ball really well but I’m curious as to how they match
up with slightly off centre strikes ?
Hi mark
After watching your video
my question is should i be teeing the ball higher,
so i would hit more on top of club face.
Or should i try to hit the ball more on the up swing.
thanks.KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!?
Great video!! I’m actually on the fence between these 2 drivers. I’ve
never liked my driver with so much customization but it looks like I’m just
stuck in the past. You really helped me here. Thanks.?
Love the blue color of the Mizuno. But I’ll keep my RBZ stage 2 (2nd hand)
until I get a bit more consistent.
Just wondering about distances… As they are determined by GCC based on
first centimeters, does it take cold weather in account ? Played last
sunday, 3°C (37.4°F) in Paris and found the distances where quite
shortened.?
would really love to see a video on budget drivers like MD etc compared to
more expensive drivers if possible please ??
I am waiting for the postman to deliver a mizuno jpx850 for testing thanks
to golf monthly. looks awesome! nice video mark.?
Hey M. Why the spin difference from bottom to top off driver face? More
spin from lower on face? ?